the things you say between 12.30 and 13.00: what you see is human nature. so the question you ask is basicaly: how can we change human nature?
and i dont think there is an answer to that yet, even though there would be lots of things to say about that topic.
to change the most viewed lists, you would have to choose which clips people get to see and which they dont get to see. or, you would have to keep people from even making the clips, that are popular with the masses.
as for people making the same shit, just for the money. thomas paine had an answer to that, when he helped to found the usa. today its called a “basic income” or “unconditional basic income”. its the idea to provide every citizen with enough money to live, and thus making him independend from pressure and manipulation due to the necessity to earn money to survive.
Mostly of what that site is, is a bunch of about 10-13 year old kids who are bored out of there mind and want some quick 2-4 min entertainment and don’t care who gets stepped on.
Selling out is kind of natural but if you find people past that and are not into that kind of thing and are unpopular you might find some good people out there on youtube but the top views list is full of spokes people trying to make their money on youtube.
People are unoriginal they have to make the same thing or people would think they “changed” or are “Different” and then unsubscribe which they can’t have that happening!
well hear me out when i say this, you should start “producing” if you will, videos that are worth watching, that have meaning.
at least there would be a few good videos up…
See, I think you should have posted this on youtube. I don’t know what you did there or why you did what you did. I watched you because I liked your personality and the way you stated your opinions. Your wit, charm, ect…your nice smelling shit if you will. I don’t care what you post there. I never have. If I don’t like it, that is my problem not yours.
I honestly don’t see the big problem that you see. Youtube still has vloggers in the wax-works. People like myself and countless others just ignore the money, the buzz, the views, and all that and just post videos for people to see. It is a huge site with something for everybody really. If I want fluff, I get fluff…if I want The Wine Cone, I watch TWC. Is he a sell out by the way? I don’t get that from him.
The point is, don’t worry about the rewards and just do what you want. Do you post videos here to be seen by others? If so, why not go for the large audience that you have at youtube? Annoyed by the comments, disable or ignore them.
For a while there it seemed like you felt pressure to be funny or be good or something. You seemed like you were struggling to pander. I didn’t tend to like those videos much.
I think what you’ve done with your channel is fine, though I don’t see why art films or “real” content stuff can’t be mixed with vlogs or even just b-roll. Who cares? Just tag it correctly, name it correctly and use a thumbnail that is accurate. Unless you are using your channel as a resume or something? When I went to film school, I didn’t have an automatic audience of thousands to show my work too. You have a great asset there.
I stopped vlogging because I didn’t like talking about my personal life with countless potential wackos. Having to keep my identity hidden made the whole personal conversation thing feel fake. So I now just make how to vids and enjoy it. Some people find them useful, and that is good enough for me.
Anyway..rambling now. I met you once in S.F. but didn’t get to say much because of the circle of adoring fans you had around you. AT least you got some women out of youtube.
You’ve wisened up a lot since I last bothered to even watch you. I remembered your name out of nowhere today, and I thought “where the hell is this guy today?” You used to be on the top viewed a lot, now it seems like sxephil has taken that place instead.
But as far as what we can do to deter it! Ha, you fool. The trolls have been trying to deter this all along, the very same people you used to get PISSED at and kick out of your stickam channel. Okay, maybe ED and everyone isn’t really doing shit now that YouTube is huge and there’s money involved but then again I don’t know. I don’t think there is much else that can be done, I’m sorry to say.
@Anonymous: Believe me, I’ve felt like a baboon’s ass ever since I realized I was one of the bad guys. Soldier on, Anonymous. I’ll do my best to stay out of your crosshairs.
Youtube is indeed doomed. With all of the ads, the money….it’s not the same anymore. It was fun to watch until youtube started changing to make more money with the ads, and paying directors by the view. It’s terrible…it’s the next MTV.
MTV used to rock…now oh my god..it’s terrible.
absolutely TERRIBLE.
I think it’s just time to accept that YouTube has run its course as a source of interesting original content. Just like anything else it had a beginning, a golden age, and now an inevitable decline. Eventually, any business like YouTube is gonna look to reap the massive profits that it has the ability to gain.
What I wonder is…what would happen if YouTube didn’t have a “Most Watched” or “Most Subscribed To” list? If they didn’t have a visible view count on every video. People would stop automatically looking at videos with a million views as entertaining and videos with 100 views as trash. Videos could just be videos and their creaters could just be creaters. Simple things like that could effectively reduce the amount of politicking on the site and once again let a good video be a good video, regardless of how many hits it’s getting.
i’ve stumbled around in various boh3m3 locales on and off for a year or something and once again, it’s good to watch you talk. for a while it wasn’t so good. you got back the fire-heart and it’s reassuring to see that happen.
keep on keepin’ on.
I kept on having flashes of the book Jennifer Government during your video. How people attach their name to a product. You at one time was Ben Youtube. Now you have stripped away your name and have become a bum. I like it.
It is creepy to think that we all have watched you grow and evolve.
Corey, I like your idea. If the videos weren’t so damned competitive, if popularity wasn’t such an issue, if worth wasn’t measured in viewcounts… pretty much the only way you’d see good stuff is if someone sent it to you!
I get the feeling more videos would go viral under that system…
I know it’s frustrating and I think you know you’re not the only one who’s sad to see YouTube going in the direction that it is. The truly unfortunate thing is that for the most part, the people who are on the most viewed, most subscribed, most discussed lists now, are actually legitimately popular. People are legitimately stupid and passive enough to continue to watch these uninspired people do the same damn thing over and over. (I can’t completely exclude myself from that group, but I try.) This is the YouTube the masses demanded, and this is the YouTube we got.
I think the true glimmer of hope lies in channels that DO dare to reach for something more. Whenever I feel like the internet is a pit of the worst of humanity, I personally go watch the vlog brothers. If a couple more partners, or just any vloggers, could accomplish what Hank and John have started, maybe the virus of intelligent communication and art for the art’s sake will spread. VlogBrothers 2.0 has inspired a shockwave of really quality content from well-meaning people hosted on YouTube.
I feel like I really want to say something in response to this and also to your “Pretentious Director” video on YouTube. Maybe you’ll get annoyed because I’m not going to praise you or affirm everything you’ve said like the people above me. But I used to really enjoy the things you posted on YouTube, the things that you called “bullshit.” I felt like they were real, and honest. Not that I don’t get that feeling from HaberDashery, but I don’t think that even you can pretend that HaberDashery is some deep and enlightening cartoon. The animation is REALLY cool, that’s the main reason I watched it, but the plot is lacking. It doesn’t have any of the funny everyday experiences you used to vlog about.
I like watching vloggers on YouTube because it’s interesting to see what other people have to say, and the ways they choose to portray their thoughts. I don’t think many people vlog or make youtube videos necessarily because they’re trying to create fantastic art– it’s fun, and it’s a way to connect with people that you would probably never know otherwise. I think 99.9% of the people who vlog on YouTube would sell out in an instant if given the opportunity– let’s face it, if you’re on YouTube to begin with, you’re probably a shameless attention whore. Why else would you make videos about yourself and post them in a place for all the world to see?
You may call your old videos “bullshit” but I don’t think that’s what they were. And most of the people who like you now only like you because of those videos in the first place. They may say now, “oh, those old videos, what crap, what you’re doing now is sooo much better,” but you know that last year they were just waiting for you to make a “dear table” or “email moment with Boh3m3″ video.
I’m sorry if this doesn’t make any sense, I’m having trouble getting out exactly what I want to say. I guess anymore I’m getting sick of watching your cynical, whiny bullshit. And to be perfectly honest, I think you’re becoming quite pretentious yourself, holding yourself on a pedestal high above every other user on YouTube. I don’t know why I keep watching you, but I’ll probably watch your next obnoxious, whiny, pretentious video. See you then.
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The solution to the problem is EXTREMELY simple: stop watching.
I agree 100% with you, YouTube Live looked exactly like the MTV Music Awards.
the things you say between 12.30 and 13.00: what you see is human nature. so the question you ask is basicaly: how can we change human nature?
and i dont think there is an answer to that yet, even though there would be lots of things to say about that topic.
to change the most viewed lists, you would have to choose which clips people get to see and which they dont get to see. or, you would have to keep people from even making the clips, that are popular with the masses.
as for people making the same shit, just for the money. thomas paine had an answer to that, when he helped to found the usa. today its called a “basic income” or “unconditional basic income”. its the idea to provide every citizen with enough money to live, and thus making him independend from pressure and manipulation due to the necessity to earn money to survive.
Mostly of what that site is, is a bunch of about 10-13 year old kids who are bored out of there mind and want some quick 2-4 min entertainment and don’t care who gets stepped on.
Selling out is kind of natural but if you find people past that and are not into that kind of thing and are unpopular you might find some good people out there on youtube but the top views list is full of spokes people trying to make their money on youtube.
People are unoriginal they have to make the same thing or people would think they “changed” or are “Different” and then unsubscribe which they can’t have that happening!
well hear me out when i say this, you should start “producing” if you will, videos that are worth watching, that have meaning.
at least there would be a few good videos up…
See, I think you should have posted this on youtube. I don’t know what you did there or why you did what you did. I watched you because I liked your personality and the way you stated your opinions. Your wit, charm, ect…your nice smelling shit if you will. I don’t care what you post there. I never have. If I don’t like it, that is my problem not yours.
I honestly don’t see the big problem that you see. Youtube still has vloggers in the wax-works. People like myself and countless others just ignore the money, the buzz, the views, and all that and just post videos for people to see. It is a huge site with something for everybody really. If I want fluff, I get fluff…if I want The Wine Cone, I watch TWC. Is he a sell out by the way? I don’t get that from him.
The point is, don’t worry about the rewards and just do what you want. Do you post videos here to be seen by others? If so, why not go for the large audience that you have at youtube? Annoyed by the comments, disable or ignore them.
For a while there it seemed like you felt pressure to be funny or be good or something. You seemed like you were struggling to pander. I didn’t tend to like those videos much.
I think what you’ve done with your channel is fine, though I don’t see why art films or “real” content stuff can’t be mixed with vlogs or even just b-roll. Who cares? Just tag it correctly, name it correctly and use a thumbnail that is accurate. Unless you are using your channel as a resume or something? When I went to film school, I didn’t have an automatic audience of thousands to show my work too. You have a great asset there.
I stopped vlogging because I didn’t like talking about my personal life with countless potential wackos. Having to keep my identity hidden made the whole personal conversation thing feel fake. So I now just make how to vids and enjoy it. Some people find them useful, and that is good enough for me.
Anyway..rambling now. I met you once in S.F. but didn’t get to say much because of the circle of adoring fans you had around you. AT least you got some women out of youtube.
You’ve wisened up a lot since I last bothered to even watch you. I remembered your name out of nowhere today, and I thought “where the hell is this guy today?” You used to be on the top viewed a lot, now it seems like sxephil has taken that place instead.
But as far as what we can do to deter it! Ha, you fool. The trolls have been trying to deter this all along, the very same people you used to get PISSED at and kick out of your stickam channel. Okay, maybe ED and everyone isn’t really doing shit now that YouTube is huge and there’s money involved but then again I don’t know. I don’t think there is much else that can be done, I’m sorry to say.
I miss the days when trolling a person YouTube would cause pages of drama and utterly disrupt everything in the site.
But, trolling doesn’t really have that great of an effect now with the way YouTube works today and how huge it has become.
@Anonymous: Believe me, I’ve felt like a baboon’s ass ever since I realized I was one of the bad guys. Soldier on, Anonymous. I’ll do my best to stay out of your crosshairs.
Youtube is indeed doomed. With all of the ads, the money….it’s not the same anymore. It was fun to watch until youtube started changing to make more money with the ads, and paying directors by the view. It’s terrible…it’s the next MTV.
MTV used to rock…now oh my god..it’s terrible.
absolutely TERRIBLE.
I think it’s just time to accept that YouTube has run its course as a source of interesting original content. Just like anything else it had a beginning, a golden age, and now an inevitable decline. Eventually, any business like YouTube is gonna look to reap the massive profits that it has the ability to gain.
What I wonder is…what would happen if YouTube didn’t have a “Most Watched” or “Most Subscribed To” list? If they didn’t have a visible view count on every video. People would stop automatically looking at videos with a million views as entertaining and videos with 100 views as trash. Videos could just be videos and their creaters could just be creaters. Simple things like that could effectively reduce the amount of politicking on the site and once again let a good video be a good video, regardless of how many hits it’s getting.
i’ve stumbled around in various boh3m3 locales on and off for a year or something and once again, it’s good to watch you talk. for a while it wasn’t so good. you got back the fire-heart and it’s reassuring to see that happen.
keep on keepin’ on.
I kept on having flashes of the book Jennifer Government during your video. How people attach their name to a product. You at one time was Ben Youtube. Now you have stripped away your name and have become a bum. I like it.
It is creepy to think that we all have watched you grow and evolve.
Corey, I like your idea. If the videos weren’t so damned competitive, if popularity wasn’t such an issue, if worth wasn’t measured in viewcounts… pretty much the only way you’d see good stuff is if someone sent it to you!
I get the feeling more videos would go viral under that system…
That, my dear Theifree, is why I am now on Vimeo.
I know it’s frustrating and I think you know you’re not the only one who’s sad to see YouTube going in the direction that it is. The truly unfortunate thing is that for the most part, the people who are on the most viewed, most subscribed, most discussed lists now, are actually legitimately popular. People are legitimately stupid and passive enough to continue to watch these uninspired people do the same damn thing over and over. (I can’t completely exclude myself from that group, but I try.) This is the YouTube the masses demanded, and this is the YouTube we got.
I think the true glimmer of hope lies in channels that DO dare to reach for something more. Whenever I feel like the internet is a pit of the worst of humanity, I personally go watch the vlog brothers. If a couple more partners, or just any vloggers, could accomplish what Hank and John have started, maybe the virus of intelligent communication and art for the art’s sake will spread. VlogBrothers 2.0 has inspired a shockwave of really quality content from well-meaning people hosted on YouTube.
I feel like I really want to say something in response to this and also to your “Pretentious Director” video on YouTube. Maybe you’ll get annoyed because I’m not going to praise you or affirm everything you’ve said like the people above me. But I used to really enjoy the things you posted on YouTube, the things that you called “bullshit.” I felt like they were real, and honest. Not that I don’t get that feeling from HaberDashery, but I don’t think that even you can pretend that HaberDashery is some deep and enlightening cartoon. The animation is REALLY cool, that’s the main reason I watched it, but the plot is lacking. It doesn’t have any of the funny everyday experiences you used to vlog about.
I like watching vloggers on YouTube because it’s interesting to see what other people have to say, and the ways they choose to portray their thoughts. I don’t think many people vlog or make youtube videos necessarily because they’re trying to create fantastic art– it’s fun, and it’s a way to connect with people that you would probably never know otherwise. I think 99.9% of the people who vlog on YouTube would sell out in an instant if given the opportunity– let’s face it, if you’re on YouTube to begin with, you’re probably a shameless attention whore. Why else would you make videos about yourself and post them in a place for all the world to see?
You may call your old videos “bullshit” but I don’t think that’s what they were. And most of the people who like you now only like you because of those videos in the first place. They may say now, “oh, those old videos, what crap, what you’re doing now is sooo much better,” but you know that last year they were just waiting for you to make a “dear table” or “email moment with Boh3m3″ video.
I’m sorry if this doesn’t make any sense, I’m having trouble getting out exactly what I want to say. I guess anymore I’m getting sick of watching your cynical, whiny bullshit. And to be perfectly honest, I think you’re becoming quite pretentious yourself, holding yourself on a pedestal high above every other user on YouTube. I don’t know why I keep watching you, but I’ll probably watch your next obnoxious, whiny, pretentious video. See you then.